We conclude this year's Introduction to
Talmud with a review of the last four dapim that we have
studied. Before we begin the review, I would like to take
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thanks to Ha-kadosh Barukh Hu, who has given me the opportunity
to learn and teach His Torah. I ask for His forgiveness for any
mistakes I may have propagated and pray that He should "enlighten us with
His Torah, attach our hearts to His commandments, and focus our
hearts to love and fear His name...
והאר עינינו בתורתיך ודבק לבנו במצוותיך ויחד לבבנו לאהבה וליראה את שמך
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Review
Questions:
Unit 1 (Shiurim 19-20)
From the mishna on the bottom of 25b until the mishna on 26b.
1. When can the finder keep something that is found in a ruined
wall? Why does he or she not need to announce it?
2. When can one keep what one finds in the wall of a
house? Is there a difference between different types of
objects?
3. How can we explain the fact that the mishna
allows one to take (under the appropriate circumstances) objects found in
walls, even though they were probably placed there
deliberately?
4. What is the din regarding an object
found in a house that is regularly rented to other people?
Distinguish between a house that is rented to successive renters and on
which is rented to different people at once. Is there a difference
between whether the group includes non-Jews or not?
5. When one witnesses an object dropped by someone
in a group, does one need to return it? What is Rav Nachman's ruling
and how does Rava qualify it?
6. What are the mitzvot (both
positive, i.e. 'thou shalt' and negative, i.e. 'thou shalt not')
associated with hashavat aveida?
Unit 2 (Shiurim 21-23)
From the mishna on 26b until "ve-ad she'at metzia ועד שעת מציאה"
on 27a.
7. What is the status of a lost object found in a
store or lost money found at a moneychanger's? Explain why the
location of the lost item is significant.
8. How should one relate to money found in
produce? Does it make a difference if the money has a
siman? Does it matter whether the produce came from the
store or from a private person?
9. What does the midrash halakha in the
mishna teach us that we learn from the additional word simla שמלה
in the verse?
10. What do we learn from the superfluously
mentioned animals in the verse: donkey chamor חמור; ox,
shor שור; sheep, seh שה?
11. According to the halakha, one is
required to return a lost object only if it is worth at least a
peruta. What difference does it make if we extract this
rule from the words "that is lost asher tovad אשר
תאבד" or from "and you found it u-m'tzatat ומצאתה"? State the two
opinions found in the gemara.
12. What is Ravnai's principle? How does it
relate to the midrash halakha about hashavat
aveida?
Unit 3. (Shiurim
24-25) From "Ibaya lehu אבעיא להו " on
27a until the mishna on 28a.
13. What is the halakhic difference between
'simanim de-oraita' and 'simanim de-rabanan'?
14. How does the gemara explain the fact that the
mishna seems to derive the halakha of simanim from the
verse?
15. The gemara explains that one cannot derive proof
that simanim are de-rabanan from the baraita that
invalidates the use of simanim on its clothes to identify a
dead body. What is the explanation and what difficulty does the
gemara raise with regard to the answer based on the midrash
halakha's interpretation of the word "donkey"? How does the
gemara resolve the contradiction?
16. What are the four different explanations of
the machloket tanaim regarding using a mole to identify a dead
body?
17. How does Rav Safra refine Rava's explanation of
the logic of hashavat aveida if simanim are
de-rabanan?
18. What is the difficulty with Rav Safra's position
that arises from R. Shimon ben Gamliel's position that if one
finds three I.O.U.'s together, with the same lender and different
borrowers, then one must return them to the lender? How does the
gemara explain the difficulty?
19. What is the basis of the gemara's final
conclusion that simanim are de-oraita?
20. When does one return a lost get to the
husband and when to the wife?
Unit 4. (Shiurim 26-29)
From the mishna on 28a until the mishna on 29b
21. What are the two opinions in the
mishna regarding the limits of announcing? How does the gemara
explain each one?
22. What is the problem that arises with the
seven day grace period after the third regel in contrast to the
mishna in Ta'anit? How do Rav Yosef and Abaye resolve the
discrepancy as opposed to Rava?
23. What specifically should the announcer
say? Is there a difference in what he announces on different
occasions?
24. What is the limit on announcing, according to R.
Yehuda, since the destruction of the Temple?
25. What change did the Rabbis institute for fear of
fraud?
26. Under what circumstances will we allow witnesses
to correct their testimony?
27. What is the difference between an animal that
earns its keep and an animal that does not? What does one do with a
lost object for which there is a significant cost of maintenance?
From where does the gemara derive this?
28. R. Akiva and R. Tarfon in the mishna argue about
the use of the money exchanged for the lost object and the degree of
responsibility the finder bears for that money. What is the
connection between these two laws?
29. How does Raba interpret the mishna in accordance
with his position on the general level of liability of a finder?
30. How does Rav Yosef do so?
31. How does Rav Yosef explain, according to R.
Tarfon, the connection drawn in the mishna between right of use and degree
of liability?
32. Does the machloket between Raba and Rav
Yosef extend to money that has been found? Explain.
Answers
Unit 1
1. When can the finder keep something that is found
in a ruined wall? Why does he or she not need to announce
it?
The finder can keep something found in a ruined
wall, even though it has a siman, so long as it clearly has
been there for a long while (e.g. it is very rusty). Under such
circumstances, one can presume that either the owner was mityaesh
or that it belonged to non-Jews (e.g. Amorites) who lived in this place in
the past.
2. When can one keep what one finds in the wall of a
house? Is there a difference between different types of
objects?
The mishna says that one can keep anything found
in the wall of a house if it is lies closer to the outside than
the inside. The gemara qualifies this statement in two
ways: first of all, one may only take objects that have
evidently been left there a long time (e.g. they are very rusty).
Otherwise on must leave the object where it was in case the owner comes
back for it. Secondly, Rav Ashi understands the mishna's rule as
applying only to items that do not have handles or some other way of
indicating from where they were placed. Under such circumstances,
the mishna rules that it depends upon whether the item is closer to the
inside or the outside. If, however, the item has a handle, (like a
knife) the rule is that we follow the direction of the handle. If
the handle faces inside - the object belongs to owner of the house.
If handle faces outside, the finder may take it.
3. How can we explain the fact that the mishna
allows one to take (under the appropriate circumstances) objects found in
walls, even though they were probably placed there
deliberately?
Rashi (and Tosafot) explain that the ukimta
applied to the previous case, of an object found in a broken wall,
applies here too. Thus one is allowed to take possession only of
objects that have clearly been left a long time, e.g. they are very
rusted. Under such circumstances, one can presume that either the
owner was mityaesh or that it belonged to non-Jews (e.g.
Amorites) who lived in this place in the past.
4. What is the din regarding an object
found in a house that is regularly rented to other people?
Distinguish between a house that is rented to successive renters and on
which is rented to different people at once. Is there a difference
between whether the group includes non-Jews or not?
According to the gemara, the mishna's rule
that finder may keep and object found in a house that is regularly
rented does not apply to houses that are rented to one person at a
time. When that is the case, one must return any lost object to the
most recent renter, since the earlier renters presumably took all of their
belongings with them.
The Amoraim
disagree as to the correct application of the mishna's rule.
According to Rav Menashia bar Ya'akov, one may keep the object only if the
house has been rented to non-Jews. Since the owner of the lost
object is presumably a non-Jew, one is not obligated to return
the it. According to Raba bar Avuha, even if the
owner rented the house to three Jews, the finder may keep the lost
object. Each one of the tenants will assume that one of the
other tenants has taken it and thus will be
mityaesh.
5. When one witnesses an object dropped by someone
in a group, does one need to return it? What is Rav Nachman's ruling
and how does Rava qualify it?
Rav Nachman rules that when one see an object
dropped by one person in a group of two, one must return it, as the owner
is presumably not mityaesh, but rather assumes that his companion
took it and that he can demand it back. However, if it is a group o
three or more, claims Rav Nachman, one does not need to return it, as the
owner will be mityaesh, since he cannot establish which companion
took it.
Rava qualifies R. Nachman's
ruling by limiting the case in which the finder can presume
yeush to objects that are not worth a peruta once
they are divided amongst the companions. When the object is worth
more than a peruta to all, then there exists the possibility that
the companions are partners and a such will trust one another and the
owner will not be mityaesh.
6. What are the mitzvot (both
positive, i.e. 'thou shalt' and negative, i.e. 'thou shalt not')
associated with hashavat aveida?
According to Rava:
1. Lo tigzol לא
תגזול Thou shall not steal.
2. hashev tashivem השב תשיבם
Thou shall return[the lost obects].
3. lo tukhal le-hitalem לא
תוכל להתעלם you cannot ignore it (the lost
object).
Unit 2 From the mishna on 26b
until "ve-ad she'at metzia ועד שעת מציאה" on 27a (Shiurim
21-23)
7. What is the status of a lost object found in a
store or lost money found at a moneychanger's? Explain why the
location of the lost item is significant.
In these cases, the question is whether the lost
object (or money) was lost by the shopkeeper/moneychanger or by one of his
or her clients. If we can conclude the the item was lost by the
shopkeeper/moneychanger, then we should return it to him. If,
however there is reason to believe that it was lost by a client,
presumably that client has been mityaesh and the finder may keep
it. The mishna rules that this question can be determined according
to the location of the lost item. If it was found behind the
shopkeeper/moneychanger's counter or table, then one must return it to
him, since he presumably is the one who dropped it. If it is found
elsewhere in the shop, including, the gemara concludes, on the table or
counter, then the finder may keep it.
8. How should one relate to money found in
produce? Does it make a difference if the money has a
siman? Does it matter whether the produce came from the
store or from a private person?
According to the mishna, money found in produce
belongs to the finder so long as it does not have a siman.
If it has a siman (e.g. the money is tied up in a
distinctive way), then it must be proclaimed as a lost
object. Reish Lakish, in the gemara, distinguishes between produce
brought from a vendor and produce brought from the farmer. The
mishna, in permitting the money to the finder, refers to the case of the
former, and one does not have to return the money because there is no way
of determining whether it belonged to the previous owner or one of the
owner's before that. However, money found in produce bought directly
from the farmer must be returned to him as he is presumably the
owner. Rav Nachman later qualifies this position - we consider the
farmer the presumptive owner only if all of the work in preparing the
produce was performed by the farmer or his slaves.
9. What does the midrash halakha in the
mishna teach us that we learn from the additional word simla שמלה
in the verse?
According to the mishna, simla
שמלה, garment, is the paradigm for a lost object. Only something
that has both simanim and claimants, as a garment may, is
subject to the laws of hashavat aveida.
10. What do we learn from the superfluously
mentioned animals in the verse: donkey chamor חמור; ox,
shor שור; sheep, seh שה?
a. Donkey - we learn that even simanim on the saddle
can suffice to identify a donkey.
b. ox - we learn that even the wool of its
tail must be returned.
c. sheep - Rava concludes that there is no
obvious use for this word and this remains a difficulty.
11. According to the halakha, one is
required to return a lost object only if it is worth at least a
peruta. What difference does it make if we extract this
rule from the words "that is lost, asher tovad אשר
תאבד" or from "and you found it u-m'tzata ומצאתה"? State the two
opinions found in the gemara.
According to Abaye, there is no difference beyond
the interpretation of the verses. According to Rava's opinion as
worked out in the gemara, the difference can be found in the case of
an object sides that depreciates while it is lost, only to regain value
before it is found. According to the tana kama, who derives
the rule from "that is lost, asher tovad אשר תאבד", the
finder must return the lost object in such a case. R.
Yehuda, however, who derives the rule from "and you found
it u-m'tzata ומצאתה", holds that the object must maintain its minimum
value throughout and that if it ever depreciates to less than a
peruta it need no longer be returned, even after it has regained
its value.
12. What is Ravnai's principle? How does it
relate to the midrash halakha about hashavat
aveida?
Ravnai (or Ravina) says that "and you
found it u-m'tzata ומצאתה" teaches us that the lost object must come
into the finder's physical possession for it to become his. The
gemara in Bava Kama derives from here that there is no obligation to
return a lost object to a non-Jew, even after one has taken possession of
it. The gemara in the beginning of our masekhet uses this
dictum to rule out the possibility that one can claim ownership by sight
and not by possession.
Unit 3. From "Ibaya lehu
אבעיא להו " on 27a until the mishna on 28a (Shiurim
24-25).
13. What is the halakhic difference between
'simanim de-oraita' and 'simanim de-rabanan'?
If simanim are de-oraita, then
we trust them as evidence in ritual law, such as establishing whether a
woman is married or not. If simanim are only
de-rabanan, then we accept them as evidence only in monetary
matters (civil law), since the Rabbis may dispose of property as they see
fit (hefker beit din hefker). Ritual matters cannot be
decided based on the evidence
of simanim.
14. How does the gemara explain the fact that the
mishna seems to derive the halakha of simanim from the
verse?
The position that simanim are
de-oraita is supported by the inclusion of simanim in
the midrash halakha expounded in the mishna. However, this
proof is not conclusive. One can say that the reason the biblical
verse specifies "simla שמלה, garment" was to teach us that
the lost object must have a claimant; it must not be
hefker. The mishna included simanim only
incidentally.
15. The gemara explains that one cannot derive proof
that simanim are de-rabanan from the baraita that
invalidates the use of simanim on its clothes to identify a
dead body. What is the explanation and what difficulty does the
gemara raise with regard to the answer based on the midrash
halakha's interpretation of the word "donkey"? How does the
gemara resolve the contradiction?
According to the position that simanim
are de-oraita, the reason we do not accept the evidence of
simanim on the clothes of a corpse is because we must consider
the possibility that the clothes were borrowed and thus cannot be used to
establish the identity of the corpse. This explanation is
problematic given that the gemara (on the previous amud) had derived from
the inclusion of "donkey" in the verse that even simanim on the
saddle of a lost donkey are sufficient. In other words, the
gemara about "donkey" implies that we do not consider the possibility that
the donkey's accessories were borrowed while the gemara about identifying
a corpse claims that simanim on the clothes are invalid since the
clothes might be borrowed.
The gemara goes on to explain
that the difference lies in that clothes are often borrowed while people
will not usually use a borrowed saddle as it chafes the donkey's
back.
16. What are the four different explanations of
the machloket tanaim regarding using a mole to identify a dead
body?
a. they argue about whether simanim
are de-oraita or de-rabanan.
b. they agree that simanim are
de-oraita but disagree as to whether one's 'ben gil'
(i.e. someone born at the same time) was likely to have the same sort of
mole.
c. they agree that one's ben gil is
unlikely to have the same siman, and disagree as to whether
simanim change after death (thus making them unreliable as a
means of identifying a corpse).
d. they agree that simanim are
de-rabanan but disagree as to whether a mole is a 'siman
muvhak', an extraordinary sign, that is valid evidence even for
ritual law.
17. How does Rav Safra refine Rava's explanation of
the logic of hashavat aveida if simanim are
de-rabanan?
Rava had argued that if simanim
are de-rabanan, then the motivation for the Rabbinic
enactment lay in that it is in the finder's general interest that lost
objects be returned with simanim, since he too would like to be
able to retrieve his lost objects. Rav Safra points out that it does
not make sense to harm the owner's interests based on the psychology of
the finder. Rather, should base it on the psychology of the
owner. It is in the owner's general interest that we use
simanim to identify lost objects as he is the one most likely to
be able to provide simanim.
18. What is the difficulty with Rav Safra's position
that arises from R. Shimon ben Gamliel's position that if one
finds three I.O.U.'s together, with the same lender and different
borrowers, then one must return them to the lender? How does the
gemara explain the difficulty?
In the case of the three I.O.U., we identify the
lender as the owner based on the fact that only the lender would
be likely to have three different bills of credit in his name. This
ruling is never in the interests of the borrower, who would rather the
letters of credit stay lost, which does not fit with Rav Safra's
explanation that everyone has an interest in trusting
simanim. The gemara explains that in this case we return
the I.O.U.'s to the lender not based on simanim but
on the fact that when different notes with different borrowers
but the same lender are bound together, it is extremely unlikely that
they were lost by anyone but the lender.
19. What is the basis of the gemara's final
conclusion that simanim are de-oraita?
Rava concludes that simanim are
de-oraita based upon the mishna that teaches that one must return
a bundle of promissory notes if the lender presents a
siman. This is obviously never in the interest of the
borrower, who would prefer that simanim be invalid for promissory
notes, thus making it more difficult for the lender to acquire
them. Since the logic of simanim de-rabanan (as stated
by Rav Safra) thus fails in this case, Rava concludes that they must
be de-oraita.
Further support for this conclusion is brought
with reference to a midrash halakha: The Torah teaches that
the finder of a lost object must take care of it "until your
fellow seeks after it and [then] you must return it to
him." We interpret the words ""until your
fellow seeks after it" to teach that finder should test
(i.e. seek out) the claimant to see that he is not a fraud.
This testing is done by the finder demanding that the claimant
present simanim. Since this
requirement of "seeking out" the claimant, i.e. verifying his honesty,
appears to be de-oraita, it would appear that simanim as
well are de-oraita.
20. When does one return a lost get to the
husband and when to the wife?
We return it to the wife so long as she presents
simanim that she could not have known about without having
actually received it, e.g. the presence of a hole near a particular
letter, or the length of the string used to bind it. Otherwise we
return it to the husband since when in doubt we must assume that the
couple are not divorced.
Unit 4. From the mishna on 28a until
the mishna on 29b (Shiurim 26-29).
21. What are the two opinions in the
mishna regarding the limits of announcing? How does the gemara
explain each one?
R. Meir holds that one must announce "until his
neighbors become aware." The gemara explains that the people who
live in the vicinity of the place in which the lost object was found must
be made aware.
R. Yehuda holds that the
finder must announce the lost object for three regalim
(festivals) followed by a seven day period at the end of the last
festival. The gemara explains that this rule was formulated in the
time of the Temple in which the whole people would visit the Temple during
the festivals, thus providing maximum exposure. The seven day period
is to give the owner time to return home, check to see if he is missing
anything, and return in order to retrieve his lost item.
22. What is the problem that arises with the
seven day grace period after the third regel in contrast to the
mishna in Ta'anit? How do Rav Yosef and Abaye resolve the
discrepancy as opposed to Rava?
The mishna in Ta'anit teaches that we do not pray
for rain until 15 days have passed after Sukkot in order to give the
people time to return home. This implies that it takes fifteen days
to reach the outskirts of the Land of Israel while R. Yehuda in our
mishna allots only three days for a person to return home and check his
belongings.
Rav Yosef and Abaye explain that each mishna
refers to a different period. They disagree as to whether the mishna
in Ta'anit refers to the first Temple period and our mishna to the second
Temple period or vice versa. Rava argues that there is not
difference between the first and second Temples. The Rabbis simply
did not impose so much trouble on the finder and required him to wait only
seven days.
23. What specifically should the announcer
say? Is there a difference in the what he announces on different
occasions?
The Amoraim disagree as to whether the finder
should announce merely that he or she has found something or whether he or
she must specify as to the type of item found, e.g. 'I have found a
garment'. Ravina would like to conclude from the fact that the
owner is given only a minimal amount of time to return and inspect his
belongings that the announcement must have been specific so he
knows what to look for. Rava dismisses this
consideration, as above, because he holds that period after the regel
was fixed at only seven days in order to avoid additional trouble for
the finder.
The baraita teaches us that at the
first two regalim, the finder would announce which occasion of
announcing it was. At the last announcement he or she would not
state the occasion so that everyone would understand that this is the last
chance. He does not state that it is the third time because of the
potential for someone mis-hearing.
24. What is the limit on announcing, according to R.
Yehuda, since the destruction of the Temple?
After the destruction of the Temple the Rabbis
decreed that announcing should take place in the synagogues and study
halls. When the Persian government began seizing lost objects for
itself, announcing was limited to making one's acquaintances aware of the
find.
25. What change did the
Rabbis institute for fear of fraud?
Originally, anyone could recover a lost object
upon presentation of simanim. When it became too common
that people would fraudulently represent themselves as the owner, anyone
who wished to recover a lost object must first bring witnesses to his
honesty and then could recover the lost object by presenting
simanim.
26. Under what circumstances will we allow witnesses
to correct their testimony?
Raba bar Rav Huna ruled that witnesses may correct
their testimony when they claim they mis-spoke and it is evident that the
claimant would not have brought witnesses to say what they said at first
(in this case the witnesses said that the claimant was a
cheat).
27. What is the difference between an animal that
earns its keep and an animal that does not? What does one do with a
lost object for which there is a significant cost of maintenance?
What is the source for this rule?
Animals whose work or production defrays the
cost of their maintenance must be kept by the finder for a more extended
period, ranging from a month to a year, depending upon the type of
animal. Animals or other lost objects whose cost of maintenance is
not defrayed must be kept for only a minimal period (three days) and then
may be exchanged for their value which is set aside.
The source for this rule is the verse
"ve-hasheivota lo" "and you shall return it to him" which
is interpreted to mean that part of the responsibility of returning
something is that one should ensure that one should actively maintain the
value of the lost object, and thus ensure that that value is not lost in
maintenance costs.
28. R. Akiva and R. Tarfon in the mishna argue about
the use of the money exchanged for the lost object and the degree of
responsibility the finder bears for that money. What is the
connection between these two laws?
The degree of liability is a function of whether
the finder is permitted to use the money. According to R. Akiva, he
is not permitted to use the money and thus his degree of liability is the
same as it was before he exchanged the lost object for cash.
According to R. Tarfon, he is permitted to use the money and thus his
degree of liability goes up as well.
29. How does Raba interpret the mishna in accordance
with his position on the general level of liability of a finder?
Raba holds that the finder of a lost object is a
shomer chinam in general. According to R. Tarfon, once the
object is exchanged for money, the finder then becomes a shomer
sakhar. According to Raba, the "le-fikhakh", the explanation
attached to R. Akiva's position in the mishna, is stated in order to
preclude Rav Yosef's position.
30. How does Rav Yosef do so?
Rav Yosef holds that the finder of a lost object
is already treated as a shomer sakhar. Thus when he
exchanges the lost item for cash and is permitted to use it (according to
R. Tarfon), he becomes a shoel. According to R.
Yosef, the "le-fikhakh" explanation attached to R. Akiva's position
in the mishna is there for merely stylistic reasons, to match the
"le-fikhakh" explanation attached to R. Tarfon's
position.
31. How does Rav Yosef explain, according to R.
Tarfon, the connection drawn in the mishna between right of use and degree
of liability?
According to Rav Yosef, the finder becomes a
shoel in his liability for the money immediately upon exchanging
it. We learn from the connection drawn in the mishna between right
of use and degree of liability that the change in the finder's liability
does not depend upon him actually using the money but only on his right to
do so.
32. Does the machloket between Raba and Rav
Yosef extend to money that has been found? Explain.
Rav Huna rules that R. Tarfon's rule applies only
to money exchanged for a lost object, since the finder took some
trouble. We offered two explanations as to why money
exchanged for the lost object should be different from money that is
the original lost object:
Ritva explains
that this is an instance of a rabbinic enactment mi-penei tikun olam
מפני תיקון עולם, for social reasons. In principle, the
finder should be forbidden to use even the money the object was
converted into. However, in order to encourage people to take
responsibility for lost objects, even when it is something that is
expensive to maintain and will require the further trouble of converting
it into cash, the Rabbis enacted that in such a situation the finder may
make use of the cash.
Alternatively, one could focus
not on the trouble taken but on the fact that the original lost object is
no longer extant. The requirement of hashavat aveida is to
return lost property to its owner. In this case the owner is not
going to receive his lost property anyway. All that is left is a
responsibility on the part of the finder to return the value of the lost
object. So long as he is committed to do so, there is no reason to
prevent him from using the money.
Have a good
summer!